Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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  Last nights meeting...

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i know dubs are delusional.

  i know dubs don't reason well.

  i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Of course it's cartoonish, so there's no clarity of age. But judging by their sizes in the drawings, and certainly by the voices in the singing, they're all quite young. To me, it's as if it's for the youngest of kids to say, "hey, they're my age!"
  

  And I think it's pretty creepy that the "stumble" and "fall" that Jehovah "raises" these sinners from is knock down some oranges at a fruit stand. Really? These are such little kids that they have no concept of what lies ahead in the adult world, and the judicial committees they could be facing in the future. That's then followed by how no matter who else lets them down, their imaginary friend Jehovah is always there for them. In reality, WT and my imaginary sky-daddy have been the greatest to "fail me and proved to be untrue." Daydreaming about animals in paradise gets pretty old when you're wondering how you're going to pay the bills piling up around you.
  
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  Mormon 'support' for gays, pressure on the WTS?

  by Simon in

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  the mormon / lds church has noticably changed it's stance toward homosexuality and instead of condemning it seems to be supporting protection for people's rights (of course they want to throw some protection for themselves in there as well).. how will this affect the wts?

  the lds is the more-successful counterpart to the wts, similar age and history and same non-mainstream appeal.. i have no doubt that the lds church is only changing because they know which way the wind is blowing and society has completely changes it's attitudes towards gay people.

  maybe they just want to stay ahead pf the curve before federal legislation enforces people's rights.. now, can we see the wts changing their views" will they be one of the last holdouts?

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  I would expect the Muslims to embrace the LGBT community before WT did.

  But then I never expected JWs to embrace the world wide web and be carrying around Internet Pornography Access Devices [IPADs].
  
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  Last nights meeting...

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
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  i know dubs are delusional.

  i know dubs don't reason well.

  i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  If I recall correctly, ToMo3 had said that if a kid wasn't mature enough to be baptized, he wasn't mature enough to get his drivers license. Looks to me like they're backing it way down from 16 here!
  

  Maybe it's because they realized they needed to get them baptized even further ahead of puberty.

  Or maybe they're so desperate for MS and elders that they'll start appointing these preteen brothers to the elder body. In that case, the KM school will be all cartoons.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses requesting financial transparency in Spain

  by JHK in

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  2. scandals

  two jehovah's witnesses requesting financial transparency in spain branch.

  one picture in the assembly hall and another on the bridge.. .

  http://johnhenrykurtz.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/transparencia-financiera-llegara-antes.html.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  all we should do is to shut up and keep donating.

  

  "My thoughts exactly!
  When you give to Jehovah, it's nobody's business what I do with all that cash!
  It's your job as JWs to shut-up and preach!"
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses requesting financial transparency in Spain

  by JHK in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  two jehovah's witnesses requesting financial transparency in spain branch.

  one picture in the assembly hall and another on the bridge.. .

  http://johnhenrykurtz.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/transparencia-financiera-llegara-antes.html.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Nobody cares about any single piddly congregation with its $1000 checking account and $800 monthly expenses.

  Actually, when I was involved, I was surprised at how feverishly the CO cared about the congregation accounts and auditing. It wasn't just that the receipt totals needed to match the deposits, but that the deposits had to be made right away after each meeting, no matter how small the amount of money collected or the inconvenience about finding a way to get that last deposit in before the month ended. Most of these accounts servants were rather downtrodden MSs with crappy jobs working long hours, so their wives were helping... but had to find some young, snot-nosed, newly baptized kid to sign the receipts because women didn't qualify to sign things in those congregations.

  So there's transparency at the congregation level. There is much less transparency at the circuit level. And believe me, I've been in circuits where the CO has dipped into circuit funds like they were his personal piggybank. Above that? The money disappears into a black hole.
  
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  Well folks it looks like September 23, 2017 will be the new date of Armageddon, the Rapture or whatever.

  by donny in

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  well folks you had better get your act together because there is only about 2.5 years before you are held responsible for your way of life.

  according to "rapture watch", things are really going to start happening in 2017.. i am already asking the lord for leniency.

  http://www.rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm .

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Yay! Another chance for death from above!

  ... but 2017? What the hell is wrong that they can't find a date sooner in 2015 or 2016? I think they're getting lazy if they can't keep things fresh every 6 months or so.
  
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  GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

  by Separation of Powers in

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  my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

  i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

  we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  She says, "The brother said that the GB want us all to know that soon, very soon our way of worship will be altered by this wicked world."

  The wicked world altering JW way of worship? I'm thinking more brothers will be wearing tight pants to the Kingdumb Haul... very soon now.
  
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  Display of National Flags in Kingdom Halls in Chile: WTS' Response

  by BluesBrother in

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  remember this and other threads a few months back, on the subject that some kingdom halls in chile acquiesced to govt rules that every building should display the national flag on the day of celebration?.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/262505/kingdom-hall-chile-has-national-flag?size=20&page=1.

  many of us here and around the net, calling on our dub experiences cried "never would that happen!

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  This is eerily close to the circumstances causing my removal as an elder.

  Yep, it's a cult.
  
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  Autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR) do you feel it?

  by sparrowdown in

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  autonomous sensory meridian response.. any thoughts about or experiences with this sensation?.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  I've never heard of it before, but I'll have to look into it. But more importantly...
  

  Does ToMo3 know about this?
  
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  If you have faith like a grain of mustard seed ...

  by Simon in

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  2. bible

  matthew 17:20 - he said to them, because of your little faith.

  for truly, i say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, move from here to there, and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.. i get the 'message' - if you believe enough (in fact, even a tiny amount - a mustard seed being tiny) then nothing is impossible but really, what a ridiculous statement and idea for several reasons.. there are lots of people who believe things completely and sincerely even to the point of death.

  so far i've not noticed any sudden movements of any mountain ranges.

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  Matthew 17:20 - He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.

  Simon, you're looking at the WRONG gospel! Notice what Luke records...
  

  Luke 17:5 Now the apostles said to the Lord:* “Give us more faith.”+ 6 Then the Lord said: “If YOU had faith the size of a mustard grain, YOU would say to this black mulberry tree,* ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea!’ and it would obey YOU.

  There are a couple of points that we can glean from Luke that was unclear in Matthew:

  • The point Jesus was trying to make wasn't that people needed more faith... they needed LESS faith! All these people that say they have LOTS of faith are going in the wrong direction. Jesus said to downsize to faith that is so small as to be unnoticeable. I'd say I've gone a step better and have faith the size of a severely undersized mustard seed.
    
  • Moving a mountain? I mean, why? However, for those of us that have lived around mulberry trees and birds, we've found what a mess bird crap is when they've been eating loads of mulberries! Oh the mess on my car! If only these mulberry trees were uprooted and planted in the sea! Now we have a clear example of who has the advantage: The guy with loads of faith that has been praying for the trees to move... or the guy with very little faith in god, but substantially more faith in a chainsaw?